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fretty
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(44,1) repeats, it appears once on the 7th row nd again on the 8th row,maybe a misprint | ||||||||||||
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fretty
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After emailing Marc McGinley, the second (44,1) should probably be (44,0).
Spoiler: (highlight to read) Also trk was right, LZW compression is the way to go, or some variant. i'm thinking it is a greyscale picture but i know absolutely nothing about this stuff, and i cant program |
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| #13040 |
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fretty
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Has anyone been working on this one.
Sadly I havent because I fear I wont be able to do it by hand, I know the topic and possibly the method but I dont know how to use it. |
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| #13069 |
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trk
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Well I have a decode for the data, but it appears to be another thing to decipher.
Some info: Spoiler: (highlight to read) Converting all those numbers I get an ascii string that looks like "[large number]:[large number](i,j)". My initial reponse is that it's something to do with a public-private key pair, but I'm not sure what for. Is there something else hidden on the card? |
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Cabbage
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That sounds intriguing. Maybe it's
Spoiler: (highlight to read) the key to the Thirteenth Labour
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| #13071 |
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fretty
Messages: 459 Offline |
Spoiler: (highlight to read) how did you decode the brackets? |
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| #13072 |
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trk
Messages: 183 Offline |
fretty wrote:
Spoiler: (highlight to read) Since the second value in each bracketed pair is a 0 or a 1 (apart from the final -) I've assumed that that value is a literal in the decompressed data and will produce a binary string.
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| #13073 |
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fretty
Messages: 459 Offline |
Spoiler: (highlight to read) But I dont get it, literally how are you getting from these brackets to an ASCII string? |
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| #13074 |
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fretty
Messages: 459 Offline |
Spoiler: (highlight to read) Ah i get it now, you start with (0,0), then each time you reach a "dead end" you move to the next unvisited bracket. The bracket (a,0) means you record 0 as the next bit in your data then move back to bracket a. Am I right? This would explain why no bracket has an "a-value" that is more than its bracket number |
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| #13075 |
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trk
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fretty wrote:
Spoiler: (highlight to read) Something like that, there's several schemes that can be used for the "move back to bracket a" bit. You could instead repeat the last a digits and then add the 0 or 1. The scheme I used to get the ASCII was based on LZW and involves a dictionary lookup, i.e. add the dictionary entry for "a" to the output and then the 0 or 1. In LZW type schemes the dictionary grows as new combinations of output symbols are found. |
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| #13076 |
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fretty
Messages: 459 Offline |
Spoiler: (highlight to read) well what marc said keeps bugging me, how the change of that second (44,1) to (44,0) "wouldnt matter" but it correct to avoid repetition. What if when we goto the next bracket we dont record the bit and just do the recursion business? This would fit with what marc said because you never end up using this second (44,1) as there is no number 53 anywhere (which is the position the (44,1) is in, hence later in the string you never have to go back there, the error wouldnt make a difference). Also this would fit with the final bracket which has no bit in it. |
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| #13077 |
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makadabo
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The card designer, Marc McGinley, is listed as Spoiler: (highlight to read) a mathematician and cryptographer and has some interesting stuff at http://www.law37.com/about.html |
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fretty
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Yeah thats how I got in touch with him, to query about the error | ||||||||||||
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| #13079 |
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fretty
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Spoiler: (highlight to read) Now ive got an idea what im doing, lol, i'm trying lots of variations on my previous idea, all of which come up with ASCII in the right range for a few letters then end up giving me symbols, etc. Its a pain, there is no hint anywhere on the specifics of the decryption. |
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| #13080 |
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fretty
Messages: 459 Offline |
Spoiler: (highlight to read) I think we can safely say that (0,0) is "one dead end" and then its a fight between (1,1) and (0,1). If we are starting our bracket count at bracket 0, then (0,0) and (1,1) are the dead ends, they give the lone 0 and 1 in the dictionary, but if the bracket count starts at 1 (and 0 is taken to mean stop) then (0,0) and (0,1) are the dead ends. |
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