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				<description><![CDATA[ Please use this thread for discussion about this card.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Any one got any tips for this its driving me nuts, 

I've put what I've done below so as not to spoil it for anyone else:
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so far I've created a spreadsheet witht he following columns, n, n squared, 3/4 n squared.  the final column should be the answer I think but it needs to be a cubed number.  I don't know any way to check this other than checking visually between a list of cubed numbers and the final coumn of my spreadsheet </p>
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but so far I haven't found a match :-(]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:26:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I read somewhere else that working backwards is best/easiest. That said, i've still not answered the card.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:31:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: #135 - Cats of Harbin (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Big hint:

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			<p>Suppose the wanted number is x. Then 3x must be a square, so the square can be decomposed as (3n)(3n). N must be even, otherwise you cannot have a quarter leaving, which means the square can be decomposed as (3*2*m)(3*2*m). X is then 2*m*3*2*m, one quarter of that is 3*m*m, which must be a cube. So the cube contains a factor 3, which means the number to be cubed must also contain a factor 3.</p>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks endlessDelirium. I worked backwards and found the answer within 10 minutes, man I'm happy.

Thanks for the attempt at help Errabee but I couldn't even understand the tip :-)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Glad to help... shame I can't help myself :) I thought I had the answer but the computer says no... :(]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>Dispatches wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>
Thanks for the attempt at help Errabee but I couldn't even understand the tip :-)</blockquote>

I'll make things simpler: The last number talked about in the puzzle is a cube (and I assume you know what cubes are all about; the cube of 2 is 8; the cube of 3 is 27 etc).

Now here's the simple tip: 
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			<p>The base number that has to be cubed has to be a multiple of 3. The original number of cats in the herd is then 4/3 * the cube of this number. Try working from there (backwards), to comply with the other limitations set by the puzzle. </p>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:58:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ *sigh* math was never my strongpoint.
I'll keep trying though]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I solved in the same way as Errabee and his/her hints are good ones. I like solving ones like these the 'maths' way rather than the brute force way but the points all count the same!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ can someone tell me why this answer is wrong?

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			<p>12 -- it is a third of a square and 3/4 of it is a cube</p>
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Thanks

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				<description><![CDATA[ sorry guys ignore that last message ... it's too late in the day and my brain is fried.

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				<description><![CDATA[ Don't worry, you're hardly the only one to make that mistake :)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok I am puzzled as to why may answer using the methods described above:
62208 doesn't work. .. this was the first number I arrived at by following the method above.

62208 is one third of 186624 .. this is the square of 432.
Lose a quarter from 62208 and yuo get 46656... this is 36 cubed.

So it matches the rhyme.

Why is it not working .. have i gone too far with my number?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yep, that number is a bit too high. To narrow things down...
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			<p>The answer is below 1000</p>
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				<description><![CDATA[ While I know that this thread is focused on solving the card, I cant help but make an assumption on something from the back.  (preface:  it is still way to early to know anything about what is going to happen for sure).

  On the stories site intro movie, when the newscast breaks in the lady reporter identifies herself as Alice Maker (could be Marker, my silly american accent confuses me here).  And judging by her reaction to the information and pictures she receives, she knows the person killed at the bar.  Any possible relation then to Wendy Maker, the dead lady mentioned on the back of the card?  To early to speculate?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So I finally gave up with math and just got out a calculator and went through all the digits, starting with one, until I got something that worked.  The method I used was:

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1. take n and square it to get m
- if m isn't divisible by three, start over with the next n
2. multiply m by 3/4 to get a
- if a isn't a cube, start over with the next n
3. if everything's worked so far, m is an acceptable answer
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The answer I got using the method turned out to be incorrect when I tried it, and I don't know why.  The only thing I can think of is that I missed some n somewhere along the line.

Help?

EDIT:
Oh cripes, this method -does- work!  I just scribbled the answer incorrectly onto my sheet of paper so that when I was inputting it later I got it wrong.   :oops:  Accordingly, I have spoilered the method.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Following on from the above hint, you can find the answer in Excel using the following formulae:

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			<p>Enter consecutive values for n in column A. Then, in each subsequent column entre the following formulae: B  =A1^2   C  =B1/3   D  =C1*3/4   E  =D1^(1/3)

Now look for an integer in column E to find the solution in column C. !</p>
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<span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">Edited so it actually works!! Like, Duh! I think I'll go and hang my head in shame!!!</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>Caprakan wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Following on from the above hint, you can find the answer in Excel using the following formulae:

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			<p>If column a contains consecutive values for n, then column B contains the formula =A1^2 to return value m. Column C contains =B1*3/4 to give the value of a and, to check for a cube, in column D enter =C1^(1/3). Where there is an integer in column D, the answer is in column B. Simple!!</p>
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Really! :mrgreen: Confused the heck out of me. I preferred the old pencil and paper method. At least I knew what I was doing with that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's tricky to explain. PM me if you want help understanding it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>Caprakan wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Following on from the above hint, you can find the answer in Excel using the following formulae:

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			<p>If column a contains consecutive values for n, then column B contains the formula =A1^2 to return value m. Column C contains =B1*3/4 to give the value of a and, to check for a cube, in column D enter =C1^(1/3). Where there is an integer in column D, the answer is in column B. Simple!!</p>
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That's exactly how I did - that one was really satisfying :mrgreen:]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Anyone here do this puzzle without a calculator, excel etc?  I somehow did! :P

Here's my attempt at an explanation for those who still need one:

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			<p>3/4 times the original number must be a multiple of 3, so the cube number must be a multiple of 3; and for it to be the least number, a multiple of 3 ONLY.  The square number must have an even number of each factor (otherwise it can't be a square number); this means that the cube number must have an even number of factors.  You should be able to work it out from here.</p>
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I hope this helps those who are still struggling.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>gnetikflop wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Any possible relation then to Wendy Maker, the dead lady mentioned on the back of the card? To early to speculate? </blockquote>
Very possibly which is why she (the newsreader)
retched.
I've been trying for ages. (it doesn't help that my calculator keeps getting moved around the house  :evil: :)
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			<p>But I've only just noticed the fact that 3/4 is a cube that STAYED. 
From that the answer should be 54x54.</p>
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Hope that helps
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				<description><![CDATA[ The working backwards technique worked for me.

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			<p>"If a quarter strayed, still a cube will have stayed."
I made a list of the first few cube numbers 
Then in turn I divided each cube by 3 (disregarding those that are not divisible by 3) and added the result (the quarter that strayed) to the cube itself (i.e. 4 quarters). This gave me a possible answer.

"They numbered one third of a square"
To check if this answer was 'one third of a square' I multiplied it by 3 and checked that the result was a square number by finding its root with a calculator.</p>
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I only had to try 3 cubes to find the correct one.

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				<description><![CDATA[ I did this with a spreadsheet, and at first it didn't work because I didn't go far enough. 

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			<p>I looked for cubes by adding a column that calculated the cube root , which will be a whole number if the starting number was a cube. Use =N^1/3 to get the cube root of N, if you're using Excel (and probably most other spreadsheets).

<span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">(Spoilered by Rotek, just in case.) </span></p>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i need two things it may sound stupiud but.. i need the id code because i accidently scratched off some of it i think its.
jktlnn2ncren? is that right and this is a very easy one to overcomplicate read it VERY carfully]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>pawn wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>i need two things it may sound stupiud but.. i need the id code because i accidently scratched off some of it i think its.
jktlnn2ncren? is that right and this is a very easy one to overcomplicate read it VERY carfully</blockquote>

Sorry, but the code is individual to your particular card.  It is unique.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>pawn wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>i need two things it may sound stupiud but.. i need the id code because i accidently scratched off some of it i think its.
jktlnn2ncren? is that right and this is a very easy one to overcomplicate read it VERY carfully</blockquote>

You could try emailing MC. They should be able to help.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ looks like blue is where i reach my iq limit
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