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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Help me (please!)

I have found a long message hidden in this card, but i still cant work out the answer. Please can someone give me a hint to point me in the right direction? (please!)

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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'm still trying to work out the message!

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			<p>I'm gussing that it's a sort of maze that needs to be followed?</p>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:17:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ this card wound me up for quite a while until it finally came to me.

hint
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all the letters on the card are the right way up for how they need to be read...</p>
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hint
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			<p>the card has four sides....try using all of them</p>
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hope this helps but if not then let me know and i can provide a few more.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:57:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for that :o)

 I am now positive i have the whole clue. But being a bit of a maths thickie I'm still confused! 

Any more hints much appreciated :o)

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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:58:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>saracallie wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Thanks for that :o)

 I am now positive i have the whole clue. But being a bit of a maths thickie I'm still confused! 

Any more hints much appreciated :o)

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hint
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			<p>in simpler terms, its looking for a number that, when you reverse the digits, then double it, then take away 1, it equals the original number.
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more hints
an easy way would be to use excel (or another spreadsheet program).
try
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			<p>creating four columns
1) a list of all whole number (1,2,3...)
2) a list of those whole numbers next to it, but with its digits reversed (e.g. 12 becomes 21)
3) a list that doubles the 'reversed' number
4) a list that adds 1 to the whole number and then halfs it.
Where an entry first matches in column 2 and 4, this should give you the answer.</p>
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I hope you have some luck ;-)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It all makes sense now! I will give it a go.
Thank you snurge :o)

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				<description><![CDATA[ no problems.
after reading what i posted back...i wasn't even sure it all made sense to me...lol]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ does this mean <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p> that the number cannot be one through 9 because they can't be reversed?</p>
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self is very very confused but determined to solve this!]]></description>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ They can be reversed but they would become themselves so would not fit the rule.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ thanks. :) that narrows the headache to <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p>anything bigger than 10....</p>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Took a while....

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			<p>I decided on an Excel solution as well, except my formula was slightly different. Got there in the end though!</p>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:17:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Post-message discussion:
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			<p>You can skip a lot of numbers due to simple logic. For example, when you get to 23, reversed it's 32, which is already much greater than 23, let alone doubling itt etc. Same with 20-anything greater than 22, in fact, so that's 8 numbers skipped right there.</p>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ i still haven't found the message. Can someone tell me which letter the message starts with please.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:24:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ oh wait, i just got it]]></description>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ do you go clockwise or anti-c? Ive got the first bit but then I get stuck, any hints? :cry:
Tom :)
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:36:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p>Read the it the right way round first, then rotate it one way and carry on - if it doesn't make any sense try it the other way!</p>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks,
worked it out now.
Took about 10mins]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:23:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>Agent Lex wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Post-message discussion:
<p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p>You can skip a lot of numbers due to simple logic. For example, when you get to 23, reversed it's 32, which is already much greater than 23, let alone doubling itt etc. Same with 20-anything greater than 22, in fact, so that's 8 numbers skipped right there.</p>
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Lex is absolutely right on this. <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p> If the two digits are the same reversing them then doubling up will have exactly the same effect as doubling the original number. Therefore, the solution can only be found in a number in which the first digit is higher than the second.</p>
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And if you're still struggling... <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p> follow the following pattern:
10
20
21
30
31
32
40
etc.
You'll soon find the correct result.</p>
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				<title>#136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>Caprakan wrote:</cite></p>
		<blockquote>Lex is absolutely right on this. <p><b>Spoiler:</b> (highlight to read)</p>
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			<p> If the two digits are the same reversing them then doubling up will have exactly the same effect as doubling the original number. Therefore, the solution can only be found in a number in which the first digit is higher than the second.</p>
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Not only that, but also:
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			<p>the first digit needs to be *about* two times the second digit. A bit of trial and error should see you right.</p>
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p.s. cute baby Caprakan!

rach =)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <p><cite>spugmeistress wrote:</cite></p>
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p.s. cute baby Caprakan!
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Thanks. His name is Sebastian and he is just short of 10 months old.

I intend to recruit him to help some of the cards I get stuck on, but I think I'll wait a couple more months first!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i still got no clue what i even doing i got the code sent to me and i looking at puzzle but cant see the message clues???]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The way to finding the question is laid out below.

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			<p>Look at the letters and you will see that they are different ways up. If you write down all the letters, left-to-right, top-to-bottom, that are the right way up, you will see something emerge. Next, turn the card so that another set of letters is up the right way and do the same. Continue until all the letters have been used. Ignore the blank spaces in the grid. Once you have done this, put the lines of text you have written into the correct order and you will have the question.</p>
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Hope this helps.]]></description>
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				<title>Re: #136 - Which Way Now (blue dice)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Heres a bit of work I did on the second part of the puzzle that might help

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			<p>where your 2 digit number is <i>xy</i>
the parameters set out in the puzzle can be represented by the following equation

10x + y = 2x + 20y - 1

you can break this down further to get equations which will give you a value for x or y given the other digit.

put the numbers 1 to 9 into the equation and which ever number gives you an integer answer fits the pattern. All you need to do then is pick the lowest one.</p>
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Good Luck :wink:]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ At the bottom of this card, there are hexagons with codes in them, e.g., 99FF00. I know that these are the RGB hex codes for the colors shown. But what does this have to do with the puzzle? ]]></description>
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